Neil deGrasse Tyson, Answered

23 positions Neil deGrasse Tyson has taken on camera about God, Christianity, the Bible, the Church and the Earth's place in the cosmos. Each one is set beside what Robert Sungenis has written or said, quoted as he wrote it.

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Tyson's words come from 19 videos of him speaking, from his own StarTalk show and interviews, quoted from YouTube's captions without correction. Many videos online put his name to AI-generated lectures; none of those are used here.

Robert's answers are passages from his books and broadcasts, quoted exactly. Where his work agrees with Tyson, that is said. Where it does not meet Tyson's argument, the page says so instead of answering for him.

Answered
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Partly answered
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Robert agrees
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Not answered in Robert’s work
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God and belief

Tyson calls himself agnostic rather than atheist: he has not seen evidence for God but would accept it if it were shown, and he could devise repeatable tests that would count as such evidence.

Partly answered
Tyson: Neil deGrasse Tyson: Atheist or Agnostic?

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Tyson, in his words

“So what people really after is what is my stance on on religion or spirituality or God and I would and I would say if I had to find a word that came closest it would be agnostic”
0:00Big Think, Neil deGrasse Tyson: Atheist or Agnostic?
“Agnostic a word dates from the 19th century Huxley to refer to someone who who doesn't know but is hasn't yet really seen evidence for it but is prepared to embrace the evidence if it's there”
0:00Big Think, Neil deGrasse Tyson: Atheist or Agnostic?
“Agnostic comes closer to what I am than atheist does yeah but all that rest of that baggage that agnostic carries is is off the edges for me”
1:12djvlad, Neil deGrasse Tyson on Why He Doesn't Believe in God: Which God? There's 18,000 Gods! (Part 14)
“So I could easily come up with a a set of that you want to test it several times. Once would not be sufficient as in any scientific experiment, but I can come up with it's not hard to do that.”
17:02StarTalk, Does The Universe Need A Creator?

Robert’s answer

Robert holds that God's existence is clearly perceived from the things that are made, that everyone needs this evidence and already has it, and that people deny God because of their sin. He also cites the fine-tuning of the universe as implying an intelligent Creator.

Reads Romans 1 as saying God has already given man all he needs to know the truth, and that men keep suppressing it.

“The phrase “God has shown it to them,” is an aorist tense, denoting that God has already given man all that he needs to know the truth, but men have continually suppressed this truth in each generation. The prepositional phrase “to them” is literally “in them,” which means that man’s inner being is where this knowledge resides.”
CASB 3: The Epistles of Romans and James

Robert says Romans 1 teaches that people need evidence and already have it: they know from the things that are made that God has to exist.

“Presupposing that the man knows God exists, they're wrong in presupposing that he needs no evidence. And it's uncanny to me that they can't see this in the very verse that they're using as proof for their presuppositional apologetics, because what does the verse say? It says they know God exists by the things that are made, not just by some intuition of the heart, you know, or some infusion of knowledge. They see the stars, the sun, the moon, the plants, the trees, the animals, and they know from that evidence that God has to exist.”
1:41:38Is There Salvation Outside the Catholic Church? | Robert Sungenis Live #075, YouTube captions

Calls God's existence obvious and says people deny it because of their sins.

“Because it's so darn obvious that God exists. And the real reason people will deny God exists is because of their sins. You see, because God made us in His image. And that means if we sin, we do evil, we're going to feel guilty.”
22:41Robert Sungenis Live #160 - Wed, March 1st, 2023, YouTube captions

Robert cites the fine-tuning of the universe as strongly implying an intelligent Creator.

“The most basic problem for the secular scientist is that he sees the universe is so minutely fine-tuned that it would be impossible to have life without it. This fine-tuning strongly implies there must have been an intelligent Creator to figure it all out and put it into existence.”
Geocentrism for Dumskies and Smart Kids

What Robert’s work does not answer here

Robert holds that enough evidence for God already exists in creation and conscience, which contradicts Tyson's statement that he has not seen any. Robert's books and broadcasts do not address Tyson's Huxley-based definition of agnosticism, his rejection of the label's 'baggage', or his claim that he could design repeatable tests that would count as evidence for God.

Tyson says that in studying the universe he sees no evidence of any active intelligence in charge, and that its many ways of killing us (asteroids, floods, tornadoes) are hard to reconcile with a benevolent higher power.

Partly answered
Tyson: Neil deGrasse Tyson on Why He Doesn't Believe in God: Which God? There's 18,000 Gods! (Part 14)

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Tyson, in his words

“In that context I would say in my studies of the universe I I value evidence and I don't see evidence for any kind of um active intelligence or power over anything”
1:12djvlad, Neil deGrasse Tyson on Why He Doesn't Believe in God: Which God? There's 18,000 Gods! (Part 14)
“So, what am I saying? I'm just saying the universe doesn't look like anyone is in charge of anything.”
13:31StarTalk, Does The Universe Need A Creator?
“Every account of a higher power that I've seen described of all religions okay that I have seen include many statements with regard to the benevolence of that higher power and when I look at the universe in all the ways the universe wants to kill us I find it hard to reconcile that with statements of”
0:01UBCFA - University at Buffalo Center for the Arts, UB NOW: Neil deGrasse Tyson - on religion & science
“Floods tornado none of this is any sign that there's a benevolent anything out there”
0:57TurpisHaereticus, Neil Degrasse Tyson - Stupid Design

Robert’s answer

Robert teaches that God controls every atom of the universe, and that the whole world has been under a curse since Adam's sin, so no one is guaranteed protection from harm. He also says we cannot know whether God is behind any particular disaster.

Says no one is guaranteed protection from accidents now, because the earth has been cursed since Adam's sin.

“The only way you get God's protection now is by mountains of prayer, if God's going to answer them. Okay? There's no guarantee that He's going to answer them. There's no guarantee if you get yourself in trouble in an auto accident, you know? I mean, there's no guarantee that God's going to stop the auto accident. Okay? Why? Because this earth is cursed, we are not guaranteed the same protection 24/7 that Adam would have had before he sinned. We just don't have it.”
1:06:47Solomon’s Wisdom, Baptism’s Water, Predestination, the Mass in Revelation | Robert Sungenis Live Q&A, YouTube captions

Robert says God controls every atom of the universe, but that we do not know whether He is behind any particular catastrophe.

“Whether God is behind one disaster or another, we don't know, okay? We know that God controls every atom and molecule of the universe, because without Him it wouldn't exist. We know that in the general sense, but whether God is casting a cataclysm or a catastrophe on one place or the other, we don't know that.”
1:42:08Robert Sungenis Live #161 - Wed, March 8th, 2023, YouTube captions

Holds that the whole world was cursed when Adam sinned, is now abnormal, and will be recreated without the curse.

“Judged. Even the creation itself is judged. It is cursed. That's why Paul says in Romans 8, for example, that the curse is on the whole world. He says the creation itself groans in pain. Now, that's of course a metaphor, but groans for the Redemption of the world, of the universe, okay? Why? Well, because when Adam sinned the whole world was cursed. It's not normal, it's abnormal, and God's going to recreate it, new Heaven and new earth, to make it normal so there is no curse upon it.”
17:32Death Before Adam, Animals in Heaven & Why Geocentrism Is Really Rejected, YouTube captions

What Robert’s work does not answer here

Robert answers the benevolence objection by tracing suffering and natural harm to the curse that followed Adam's sin. His work does not address Tyson's example of asteroid strikes and mass extinctions as evidence that no one is in charge; his one passage on the dinosaur extinction attributes it to post-Flood climate change and does not raise the benevolence question. He also says we cannot tell whether God is behind a given disaster, so his case that God is in charge does not draw on the disasters themselves.

Tyson holds that a being responsible for the universe is a separate question from a personal God who watches human behaviour and tells people how and to whom to pray, so 'do you believe in God' requires saying which god is meant.

Answered
Tyson: Does The Universe Need A Creator?

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Tyson, in his words

“And so, I remain agnostic on this. I'm happy to listen to and look at information, evidence, data that might support an almighty, all powerful being, right? But the the distinction is if you want to say there's a being responsible for the universe, is that the same being who tells you how to pray, who to pray to,”
15:23StarTalk, Does The Universe Need A Creator?
“That's a different God from a God that is paying attention to your behavior. So, as you come from that posture to gods that are more engaged with you and your existence,”
7:27StarTalk, Does The Universe Need A Creator?
“So when you say Do you believe in God is there is it which God is it Zeus is it Poseidon is it the the Jewish god is it the Christian God because the Jewish god from the Old Testament is filled with wrath”
0:02djvlad, Neil deGrasse Tyson on Why He Doesn't Believe in God: Which God? There's 18,000 Gods! (Part 14)
“You say is there a god that listens to your prayers if you answer yes to that you're religious by anybody's definition because your understanding of a deity is that that deity is monitoring your daily Affairs”
0:00Nash Kyalo, Neil deGrasse Tyson’s 20-Minute TAKEDOWN of Christianity (Re-Upload)

Robert’s answer

Robert argues that the Creator we reason to from creation is a conscious being to whom we are responsible and who made us for a relationship, so the Creator and the personal God are the same. He describes Greek idols as having no life or metaphysical reality, and cites Irenaeus rejecting Marcion's split between a judging God and a good God.

Robert says the question of who made us leads to whether we can live apart from Him, and answers no.

“We, as limited finite beings, are going to have that question, "Where did I come from? Who made me?" And then the next, of course, is, "Am I responsible to Him? Do I just live my life as a conscious being and yet I'm apart from Him?" Okay? Well, the answer to that question is no.”
18:46Robert Sungenis Live #160 - Wed, March 1st, 2023, YouTube captions

Argues the Creator would have no reason to create us unless He wanted a relationship with us, which ties the Creator to a personal God.

“The super consciousness would have no reason to create you if He didn't want to have a relationship with you. It would be superfluous for Him to do that.”
20:11Robert Sungenis Live #160 - Wed, March 1st, 2023, YouTube captions

Robert describes the Greek idols as having no life and no metaphysical reality.

“unlike the stone idols of the Greeks that have facial appearance but no life, no metaphysical reality, and are thus ματαίων (“vain things”)”
Douay-Rheims Commentary, Volume 2

Cites Irenaeus against Marcion's split between a judging Old Testament God and a good God: a God without both justice and goodness is no God.

“Marcion, therefore, himself, by dividing God into two, maintaining one to be good and the other judicial, does in fact, on both sides, put an end to deity. For he that is the judicial one, if he be not good, is not God, because he from whom goodness is absent is no God at all”
The Immutable God Who Can Change His Mind

Tyson says Allah and the God of Jews and Christians are the same God.

Partly answered
Tyson: Neil deGrasse Tyson’s 20-Minute TAKEDOWN of Christianity (Re-Upload)

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Tyson, in his words

“First of all it's the same God so he's got that wrong but but Allah god of Islam and God of the the the Jewish they're all it's the same God they got they call them different names but it's the same book delivering you the same God”
13:26Nash Kyalo, Neil deGrasse Tyson’s 20-Minute TAKEDOWN of Christianity (Re-Upload)

Robert’s answer

Robert says that since there is logically only one God, Muslims worship the same God in a limited sense, but not in how God is defined (the Trinity, God as a personal Father). He says the question must be treated gingerly and compares it to a loaded question.

Robert grants that, since there is logically only one God, Muslims worship the same God in that sense, but objects to saying so without qualification, because Christians define God as a Trinity.

“It didn't give you the reason I just gave, where, you know, obviously, logically, there's only one God, so in that sense we have to say that the Muslims worship the same God. It doesn't even give you that rationale. He just says, "The Muslims worship the same God as the Christians." Period. Without any explanation of the Trinity, of how we define our God, and in that sense it's not the same God as the Muslims.”
1:55:59The Biblical Timeline, Hidden Prophecies, and the Case for a Fixed Earth, YouTube captions

Says Islam denies the Trinity and that Allah is not a personal God like the Christian Father.

“The biggest would be the fact that they don't believe in the Trinity, okay? They believe Allah is the prophet of God. I'm sorry, Muhammad is the prophet of God; Allah is the God. But there's no Trinity. There's no Father, Son, Holy Spirit, and that means that there's no sacrifice that's given to God for the sins of man. So their whole, see, soteriology is non-existent, okay? Allah is not a personal God like the God of Christianity. That's why we call Him Father.”
1:13:54Dr. Robert Sungenis Live #109 Ask Your Question | Wed, Jan. 19th, 2022, YouTube captions

Robert compares the question to the loaded question 'have you stopped beating your wife' and says it must be treated gingerly.

“Can they believe in the same God that we believe in? Well, this is one of those questions that you have to treat gingerly, okay, because it's very similar to a question like, "Have you stopped beating your wife?" I think I've mentioned this on this program before, okay? "Have you stopped beating your wife?" Well, if you answer yes, of course that means you've been beating your wife. If you answer no, that means you're still beating her. So you're caught whatever way you answered the question.”
48:29Robert Sungenis Live! #032 Ask Your Question | Oct. 14 2020, YouTube captions

What Robert’s work does not answer here

Robert partly concedes Tyson's point: he says 'obviously logically there's only one God, so in that sense we have to say that the Muslims worship the same God'. His objection concerns how God is defined (the Trinity, a personal Father), and he does not deny that Muslims address the one God. His work does not address Tyson's inclusion of the Jewish God or his claim that it is 'the same book'.

Science and religion

Tyson says that locating God in whatever science cannot yet explain makes God an ever-receding pocket of scientific ignorance, so faced with a mystery he sticks with science.

Partly answered
Tyson: Does The Universe Need A Creator?

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Tyson, in his words

“My caution there is >> if that's how you define God where science has yet to tread, >> right? >> Then God to you is an ever receding pocket of scientific ignorance.”
6:28StarTalk, Does The Universe Need A Creator?
“Where because science is an ever moving frontier, right? One day we'll figure out dark matter, dark energy, and and what happens to your god if that's what it was.”
6:28StarTalk, Does The Universe Need A Creator?
“So, it's the urge to declare that if there's something you don't understand about the universe that God must be there with the with with the the puppet strings or with the forcing of what's going on,”
3:41StarTalk, Does The Universe Need A Creator?
“And and so today, if there's something that amazes you or is mysterious to you, I just take my cue from the history of this exercise and say, I'm going to stick with the science,”
18:58StarTalk, Does The Universe Need A Creator?

Robert’s answer

Robert rejects the charge that belief in God rests on gaps, citing Aquinas's philosophical proofs and saying God built natural processes into creation instead of working a miracle every two seconds. Answering a Catholic critic, he denies that his own arguments rest on the limits of science and turns the 'God of the gaps' charge back on that critic.

Answering the charge that he fills gaps in scientific knowledge with the Bible, Robert says science is finite and fallible but that he has never used that fact to argue geocentrism could be true.

“Although it is true that science (and for that matter, any science, including metaphysics, philosophy, etc.) cannot really boast about anything it does or concludes for the simple fact that its field of vision is finite and its interpretive capabilities are fallible and often biased, 349 I have never used that fact to form an argument saying, “well, then, geocentrism could possibly be true.” I would be an idiot if I said so;”
Scientific Heresies and Their Effect on the Church

Disputes that Protestants rely on a God of the gaps, pointing to their acceptance of Aquinas's five philosophical proofs for God.

“R. Sungenis: Although it is true some Protestants have little use for philosophical arguments, this is not true of all of them. I don’t know too many Protestants, for example, who dismiss Thomas Aquinas’ five philosophical proofs for the existence of God, but who do reject the Nominalism of the same period for its philosophical inadequacies.”
Scientific Heresies and Their Effect on the Church

Robert says a God who had to work miracles every two seconds to keep creation stable would not show His glory.

“If God had to do miraculous works every 2 seconds, as it were, in order to keep the creation stable, well, that wouldn't be very good for God, would it? That wouldn't show the glory of God.”
35:39Robert Sungenis Live #160 - Wed, March 1st, 2023, YouTube captions

Argues that a Catholic critic who invokes divine intervention for the appearance of life is using a God of the gaps himself.

“Since Fr. Robinson’s Big Bang universe over billions of years cannot, by his own admission, produce biological life, he must account for plant and animal appearances by “God’s intervention” at some time in the latter portion of the billions of years. If this is not the same thing as the “God of the gaps” theory, what is?”
Scientific Heresies and Their Effect on the Church

What Robert’s work does not answer here

Robert uses the phrase 'God of the gaps' only in a dispute with Fr. Robinson, not in reply to Tyson. His work does not answer Tyson's claim that a God placed in scientific unknowns becomes an 'ever receding pocket of scientific ignorance', his dark matter and dark energy example, or his historical point that mysteries have repeatedly gone to science. Robert's statements that his geocentric arguments do not exploit gaps and that God works through a built-in natural order bear on the topic but do not take on the receding-frontier argument.

Tyson holds that an apparent miracle, such as Jesus walking on water or a recovery after an exorcism, is better explained by an undiscovered law of physics, coincidence or mistaken testimony than by divine action.

Partly answered
Tyson: The Intersection of Science and Religion with Neil deGrasse Tyson

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Tyson, in his words

“He said something like Miracles are so unlikely bordering on Impossible that if you do encounter something that you cannot explain not only from your own base of knowledge but is unexplainable given any base of knowledge yet acquired on Earth it's more likely that you simply discovered a new law of physics than that there is a Divine miracle”
19:29StarTalk, The Intersection of Science and Religion with Neil deGrasse Tyson
“Do you pray to God for it or do you investigate it and find out You' just made a scientific discovery”
19:29StarTalk, The Intersection of Science and Religion with Neil deGrasse Tyson
“There are certain things that are just a violation of the laws of physics like Jesus walking on water there's no way around that either he walked on water and that's a miracle or there's something else going on whether it's the testimony is incorrect”
20:36StarTalk, The Intersection of Science and Religion with Neil deGrasse Tyson
“Like the person writhing on the floor, frothing at the mouth. So you go to your priest in a town where churches and walking distance >> and they come and they just enough time to get the holy water, perform the exorcism, and the person comes out of it.”
18:04StarTalk, Does The Universe Need A Creator?

Robert’s answer

Robert holds that a miracle is a greater, supernatural power setting aside a natural law, as when Jesus walked on water, and he criticises Hume-inspired scholars who assumed miracles cannot occur and explained them naturally. He holds that the demon possessions in the Gospels were real and not physical maladies such as epilepsy.

Robert defines a miracle as the setting aside of natural laws that God put in place.

“A miracle, okay, is not a lie. A miracle says up front that it is avoiding the natural laws that God put in place for everything else, or for most of the creation.”
1:41:55Rethinking the Eucharist, Dating the Apocalypse & the Antichrist Who Answers Everything, YouTube captions

Says that when Jesus walked on water, a greater, supernatural power set aside the law of gravity.

“Supernatural is a greater power that can set aside a lower power or a lower law, and that's what Jesus did when He walked on water. He... the laws of gravity.”
1:43:29Rethinking the Eucharist, Dating the Apocalypse & the Antichrist Who Answers Everything, YouTube captions

Robert names the assumption, following Hume, that miracles did not occur and everything has a natural explanation as the premise of Strauss's criticism of Jesus' miracles.

“Strauss convinced his students that historical criticism was necessary in order to find out the “real” story behind Jesus’ miracles, since they must take as a “given” that miracles, following the philosophy of David Hume (1711-1776) and the Enlightenment, simply did not occur, and that everything in life has a “natural” explanation.”
CASB 6: The Gospel of St. John

Holds that the Gospel demon was real, not epilepsy or insanity, because it spoke through the man.

“The demon is real, not a physical malady (e.g., epilepsy, insanity) for it speaks through the man’s vocal cords. Although Jesus’ divinity is hidden by his human form, here, as in other places, demons can recognize Jesus in his divinity”
Douay-Rheims Commentary, Volume 2

What Robert’s work does not answer here

Robert affirms that the walk on water was a real suspension of natural law and names Hume's premise, but he does not engage Hume's comparative-probability argument as Tyson states it (that an unexplained event is more likely a new law of physics than a miracle), or Tyson's 'pray or investigate' contrast. He denies that Gospel possessions were epilepsy, but does not address Tyson's claim that a recovery after exorcism is a coincidence of the seizure ending. On testimony, his one relevant passage concerns John as an eyewitness of the Apocalypse, not the walking-on-water accounts.

Tyson says that explaining natural events as the will of God stops curiosity, and that al-Ghazali's teaching of this (with mathematics as the devil's work) caused the Islamic golden age of science to collapse.

Partly answered
Tyson: Neil deGrasse Tyson’s 20-Minute TAKEDOWN of Christianity (Re-Upload)

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Tyson, in his words

“Two actions that you see in nature are the will of Allah well if you drop a stone and it falls Allah will that if that's your explanation your curiosity stops”
15:56Nash Kyalo, Neil deGrasse Tyson’s 20-Minute TAKEDOWN of Christianity (Re-Upload)
“You combine everything happening in nature being the will of Allah to the manipulation of numbers being the work of the devil and the entire Enterprise of that golden era collapses”
15:56Nash Kyalo, Neil deGrasse Tyson’s 20-Minute TAKEDOWN of Christianity (Re-Upload)
“Islam rose again after this period didn't have science associated with it no new inventions in math”
17:08Nash Kyalo, Neil deGrasse Tyson’s 20-Minute TAKEDOWN of Christianity (Re-Upload)

Robert’s answer

Robert holds that natural secondary causes and the laws of nature operate within God's creation, and that divine intervention uses those laws rather than rejecting them. His work does not discuss al-Ghazali, Islamic science, or whether attributing events to God's will stops inquiry.

Robert says natural secondary causes already operated during the six days of creation, such as water seeking a lower level and birds flying by aerodynamics.

“The special creationist (i.e., those who believe that God created separate things, ex nihilo, on all six days of creation) can agree partially, but not totally. Secondary causes certainly existed in the six days of creation. When water was created it assumed the shape of its container and it sought a lower point than land; or once birds were created, they flew by the Bernouli principle of aerodynamics.”
CASB 4: The Book of Genesis, 1-11

Uses the example of stopping a spinning top to argue that intervening in nature depends on its laws and does not reject them.

“If, by analogy, I spin a top, but after it spins for a while I intervene by putting my hand on it to cease its motion, have I rejected any of the laws of nature? Certainly not. In fact, I am using the laws of nature, since if a sufficient force is applied to a spinning object, the object will stop its motion and transfer its kinetic energy to heat energy, thus warming my hand at little. If anything, I am depending on the laws of nature, not rejecting or reinventing them.”
Scientific Heresies and Their Effect on the Church

What Robert’s work does not answer here

Robert's work says nothing about al-Ghazali, occasionalism, the Islamic golden age of science or its decline, the claim that mathematics was called the devil's work, or the lack of new mathematics in Islam after al-Ghazali, nor about whether attributing natural events to God's will stops curiosity. Where he discusses Islam, he addresses its theology (Allah as distant, Islam starting around 600 AD), plus a note that Arab astronomers translated and renamed Ptolemy's Almagest. The two passages above show only his general view that God works through natural laws and secondary causes, and do not engage Tyson's historical argument.

Tyson says that when religious views make testable claims about the natural world those claims are often shown to be false, and he will not respect or leave unchallenged religious views that are objectively false.

Partly answered
Tyson: The Intersection of Science and Religion

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Tyson, in his words

“If your religious views contains testable claims about the natural world, be ready for them to be shown to be false. Are you ready for that? That that happens often.”
0:03National Geographic, The Intersection of Science and Religion
“As a scientist if you're religious and you say something that is patently objectively false I will tell you I'm not going to respect your views if they're objectively false”
6:03djvlad, Neil deGrasse Tyson on Why He Doesn't Believe in God: Which God? There's 18,000 Gods! (Part 14)
“I respect your freedom to think whatever you want but if you're going to make a decision based on something that's objectively false that emanates from your belief system no matter what it is I'm obliga as an educator”
7:07djvlad, Neil deGrasse Tyson on Why He Doesn't Believe in God: Which God? There's 18,000 Gods! (Part 14)

Robert’s answer

Robert argues that science rarely has proof and keeps overturning its own theories, while its verifiable findings vindicate Genesis. He cites dinosaur and human fossils found together as science confirming the Bible.

Robert says science has almost no proof, even for its simplest postulates, so its theories are replaced every 50 to 100 years.

“Science barely has proof for its most simple postulates, let alone proof of the esoteric world of cosmology and the inner workings of the atom. Most scientists admit this problem. They have evidence, hunches, suspicions, statistics, guesses, estimates, hypotheses, but virtually no proof. That is why scientific theories change about every 50100 years or so, since new theories continually replace the old theories. As Max Born once said: “Science progresses funeral by funeral.””
CASB 4: The Book of Genesis, 1-11

Says science keeps overturning its theories while its verifiable findings vindicate the Genesis account.

“there is one thing about science common to all its branches (including philosophy, psychology, medicine, chemistry, biology, etc.), that is, its history shows that it cannot cease from overturning its own theories, whereas the Bible’s “science” always remains the same. In actuality, what little verifiable truth is discovered in science, the more the Genesis account is vindicated as being a precise record of what occurred in the past.”
CASB 4: The Book of Genesis, 1-11

Robert says the science shows dinosaur and human fossils found together, and that scientists with an agenda hold such evidence back.

“If you listen to the science, the science tells you that dinosaur and human fossils have been found together. That's what the science tells us. The scientists are the ones that try to cover that up, okay? So there's a big difference between scientists and the science. What is the science? Okay, well, we're being held back from a lot of the science by scientists who have an agenda, and that is not to let the Bible be confirmed by any kind of outside source.”
2:10:54The Truth About "The Rapture" | Robert Sungenis Live #064, YouTube captions

What Robert’s work does not answer here

Robert disputes that testable biblical claims have been shown false and argues that science is provisional. He does not engage Tyson's stance that, as an educator, he will not respect and will challenge decisions based on objectively false beliefs, or discuss how a religious claim about nature should be handled once it is tested.

Scripture, creation and design

Tyson holds that religious faith, even faith in Jesus as saviour, is compatible with science only when science rather than the Bible is used to learn about nature, since the Bible tells how to go to heaven, not how the heavens go, and literalists end up fighting everything.

Answered
Tyson: The Intersection of Science and Religion

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Tyson, in his words

“The enlightened religious people view science as a means of decoding nature. Nature that they feel in their heart of hearts is created by God perhaps. But they view science as a means of learning about nature rather than the Bible as a means of defining nature.”
0:03National Geographic, The Intersection of Science and Religion
“What Galileo noted 400 years ago he was the first to really make this observation of things he said after careful study of the Bible and after careful study of the universe he concluded the Bible tells you how to go to heaven not how the heavens go”
1:15UBCFA - University at Buffalo Center for the Arts, UB NOW: Neil deGrasse Tyson - on religion & science
“If you are fundamentalist religion and you are certain that every word in the Bible is the literal truth of an unairring creator of the universe. Yeah, you're going to spend your life fighting everything. And fortunately that's the minority of all religious people.”
0:03National Geographic, The Intersection of Science and Religion
“There are religious people who are who where Jesus is their savior, but they're perfectly fine with a four and a half billion year old Earth.”
48:58StarTalk, Neil deGrasse Tyson and Richard Dawkins Discuss Science, Religion & Evolution

Robert’s answer

Robert rejects the saying that the Bible tells how to go to heaven, not how the heavens go: he calls it false and without precedent in Catholic Scripture study, citing the Fathers' unanimous belief and the Church's verdicts against Galileo. He holds that Scripture can decide scientific matters and says Catholics who accept billions of years place their trust in uncertain science over the face-value meaning of Scripture.

Robert calls Baronius's saying false and says no one in Catholic Scripture study before him had limited the domain of Scripture that way.

“More to the point, however, is that Baronius’ statement is false. No one in the whole history of Catholic Scripture study up to that point had ever uttered such a denial on the domain of either the Holy Spirit’s teaching or the content of Holy Writ.”
Refuting David Palm, Phase 5

Argues that the Fathers' unanimous belief and the papally sanctioned verdicts against Galileo show the Church held that Scripture teaches how the heavens go.

“If the Bible does not concern itself with “how the heavens go” then why did the Fathers of the Church, in unanimous consent, believe it to be so, and why did Cardinal Bellarmine and his fellow cardinals, with the popes afterwards who for decades sanctioned their verdicts against Galileo, ever dare say that, because it was spoken by the Holy Spirit, a motionless Earth and a moving sun were “a matter of faith”?”
Refuting David Palm, Phase 5

Robert holds that Scripture recognizes no separate category of 'scientific issues' and can decide such questions.

“On the larger point of whether Scripture can speak authoritatively on what we categorize as “scientific issues,” first, we must keep in mind that Scripture does not testify to any such separate intellectual categories and thus does not grade the truth of its statements depending on the category it is addressing. The category of “scientific issues” is imposed on Scripture but Scripture recognizes no such distinction. Second, although Scripture certainly does not reach the academic level of a typical science textbook, that does not mean it cannot, or does not, address and decide on what we understand as a “scientific issue” on various occasions.”
Geocentrism 102

Says a Catholic who trusts uncertain modern science over the face-value meaning of Scripture is not the rational one.

“Any man who would place his complete trust in such an uncertain and contradictory science is the very one who is not rational. That Fr. Robinson is willing to throw out almost two-thousand years of Spirit-led belief in the face value meaning of Scripture for the mess of conflicting pottage that modern science has given him, simply cannot be a “rational” Catholic.”
Scientific Heresies and Their Effect on the Church

Tyson says religious philosophy such as creationism may be held freely but must be kept out of the science classroom, because substituting it for science will cripple a generation and stall a society's technological progress.

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Tyson: Neil deGrasse Tyson on Creationism, Celebrity, and Kids

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Tyson, in his words

“If you feel strongly about your religious philosophies I will have nothing to say about it unless you want to change the curriculum in a science classroom”
2:12National Geographic, Neil deGrasse Tyson on Creationism, Celebrity, and Kids
“If you substitute religious Philosophy for science there will be a generation of people who will not understand what science is and they will be intellectually crippled”
3:22National Geographic, Neil deGrasse Tyson on Creationism, Celebrity, and Kids
“But understand the consequences if you want to bring religious philosophy into the science classroom. You will stall the technological progress of your society”
1:14National Geographic, The Intersection of Science and Religion
“Actually I have nothing specifically against a Creation Museum just keep it out of the science classroom right we live in a free country people could say say whatever you want about whatever that's the Batman museum is not accurate historically that's what it means to be free right just don't confuse it with actual science”
0:04StarTalk, Neil deGrasse Tyson vs. Young Earth Creationism

Robert’s answer

Robert says Catholic schools and universities teach only evolution and should present creation alongside it so students can decide. He writes that people who took Scripture at face value delved more deeply into the sciences and found the evidence supported a non-evolutionary origin.

Robert says schools should offer both creation and evolution and let students decide, and objects that Catholic schools teach only evolution.

“You might think that, considering their tradition of creationism in the Catholic Church, that they might be gentlemanly enough to offer both to their grade school, high school, college students, you know: "Okay, here's some creationist stuff, and by the way, we have a whole new creation science here we didn't have before that we could study, or evolution, you know. We'll study both, and students can decide which one you think is better." Do they do that? No, no, it is a total onslaught of evolutionary theory, Copernicanism, relativism, you name it, that's been accepted into Catholic schools today.”
1:15:27Robert Sungenis Live #118 Ask Your Question | Wed, March 23, 2022, YouTube captions

Asks that students hear six-day creationism as the other side, alongside theistic evolution or Darwin.

“It wouldn't be bad if they had, you know, their ideas of theistic evolution or Darwin or whoever, if they would just tell the students the other side of the story and say, "Look, there's a whole other view out there that's opposed to what we have made the prominent view, and that is six day creationism, just like Genesis says."”
9:36Robert Sungenis Live #074 Ask Your Question | Tue, Apr. 20th, 2021, YouTube captions

Robert says those who accepted Scripture at face value began to delve more deeply into the sciences and found the facts supported a non-evolutionary origin.

“It was at this time that those who accepted Scripture both as divine revelation and at face value, began to delve more deeply into the sciences than ever before. They began to see that a proper interpretation of scientific facts did not preclude a non-evolutionary origin for the Earth or a non-uniformitarian development of its terrain, but actually supported it much better than the opposing evolutionary views. There has been so much information made available that we are beginning to see universities and secondary schools take a second look at these issues.”
Galileo Was Wrong: The Church Was Right, Vol. 2

What Robert’s work does not answer here

Robert argues for teaching creation alongside evolution, mostly in Catholic schools and universities. He does not address Tyson's claims that religious philosophy in the science classroom would leave a generation intellectually crippled or stall a society's technological progress, and he does not discuss public-school science curricula or the Creation Museum.

Tyson holds that humans and dinosaurs never coexisted, so Noah could not have had dinosaurs on the ark, and a teacher who teaches otherwise is scientifically illiterate.

Answered
Tyson: Neil deGrasse Tyson’s 20-Minute TAKEDOWN of Christianity (Re-Upload)

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Tyson, in his words

“If he wants to believe Jesus is a savior that's not synonymous with being scientifically illiterate because 40% of American scientists pray to a personal God what is identical with being scientifically literate is that if Noah was a human being he did not have dinosaurs on his ark because humans and dinosaurs did not coexist”
7:07Nash Kyalo, Neil deGrasse Tyson’s 20-Minute TAKEDOWN of Christianity (Re-Upload)
“New Jersey school teacher asserted that Evolution and the Big Bang are not scientific and that Noah's Arc carry Dinosaurs the case is not about the need to separate church and state it's about the need to separate ignorant scientifically illiterate people from the ranks of teachers”
6:03Nash Kyalo, Neil deGrasse Tyson’s 20-Minute TAKEDOWN of Christianity (Re-Upload)

Robert’s answer

Robert holds that dinosaurs lived with men before the Flood and that dinosaurs were housed on the ark in their infant stages. He cites human and dinosaur footprints found together and soft tissue in dinosaur bones as evidence against dinosaurs being tens of millions of years old.

Robert's Genesis commentary says the ark could hold about 15,000 animals, with dinosaurs housed in their infant stages.

“Regarding the feasibility of housing and caring for the animals, the ark itself could easily hold about 15,000 or so animals, especially since the large majority of the animals were rather small. Larger animals, such as dinosaurs, elephants, etc., would be housed in their infant stages.”
CASB 4: The Book of Genesis, 1-11

States that dinosaurs lived among men before Noah went into the ark.

“And so it could be anything, but, you know, we believe that there were dinosaurs among men before Noah went to the ark.”
49:55Robert Sungenis Live #115 Ask Your Question | Wed, Mar. 2, 2022, YouTube captions

Robert says human footprints have been found alongside dinosaur footprints and that he has seen the specimens himself.

“Yes, they have found human footprints right alongside a dinosaur footprint, okay? That is a fact. Now, you won't have your secular archaeologist or paleontologist to admit to that, but they are there, and I've seen the specimens myself, okay? So I know they exist.”
47:48Dr. Robert Sungenis Live #154: Ask Your Question, YouTube captions

Argues that dinosaur remains with tissue and blood vessels cannot be as old as the 70 million years paleontology assigns them.

“Paleontology understands that all such remnants of dinosaurs are no younger than 70 million years old. But since dinosaurs with tissue and blood vessels cannot possibly be so old, Mary was told by her boss, Jack Horner, the curator of paleontology and one of the world’s foremost dinosaur authorities, not to let it be known.”
Scientific Heresies and Their Effect on the Church

Tyson rejects fine-tuning and intelligent design arguments: most of the universe would kill life instantly, and features such as human anatomy look like 'stupid design' that no engineer would produce.

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Tyson: Neil Degrasse Tyson - Stupid Design

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Tyson, in his words

“The people say oh the forces of nature are just right for Life excuse me just look at the volume of the universe where you can't live you will die instantly that is not that's not that's not what I call the Garden of Eden”
0:00TurpisHaereticus, Neil Degrasse Tyson - Stupid Design
“Now, so one of them that went around for a while and I I found it very unconvincing, it was the laws of physics are exactly the way they need to be for us to be alive.”
9:23StarTalk, Does The Universe Need A Creator?
“And so this is all Simply Stupid design and the problem is if you look for what is intelligent and yeah you can find some things that are just really beautiful”
3:00TurpisHaereticus, Neil Degrasse Tyson - Stupid Design
“It's like an entertainment complex in the middle of a sewage system no engineer would design that at all”
4:00TurpisHaereticus, Neil Degrasse Tyson - Stupid Design

Robert’s answer

Robert argues that the fine-tuning of the universe points to a Fine-Tuner and that the multiverse is promoted to avoid that conclusion; he calls the 'we would not be here otherwise' reply question-begging. On anatomy, his nearest material is the claim that organs once called useless vestiges (appendix, tonsils) turned out to be important.

Robert holds that fine-tuning strongly implies an intelligent Creator.

“The most basic problem for the secular scientist is that he sees the universe is so minutely fine-tuned that it would be impossible to have life without it. This fine-tuning strongly implies there must have been an intelligent Creator to figure it all out and put it into existence.”
Geocentrism for Dumskies and Smart Kids

Says cosmologists keep promoting the multiverse, which lacks hard scientific evidence, because the alternative is a special Earth.

“Despite the fact that there is no hard scientific evidence for the Multiverse, cosmologists such as Carr, Lightman and the rest keep promoting it because the alternative is a special Earth with a special place in one universe”
Galileo Was Wrong: The Church Was Right, Vol. 1

Robert calls the reply 'we would not be here otherwise' question-begging and says it does not answer the design argument.

“If he says that we don't need intelligent design because, if not, then we wouldn't be here, is his argument. Well, again, here he has to use his intelligence to make that stupid argument. It's stupid, but he still has to use his intelligence, what little that he has, to come up with that excuse, okay? Well, of course, if there was no design we wouldn't be here. We already know that, okay? So it just begs the question that because we're already here, obviously it couldn't be otherwise, because we're here. But that's an argument from silence. It doesn't really answer the argument.”
1:01:36Robert Sungenis Live #136: Ask Your Question, YouTube captions

Says the idea of the appendix as a useless leftover of ape anatomy proved false.

“After they thought the appendix was just a vestigial part of the ape anatomy that somehow survived in the humans, and then it became useless in humans, you see. So, and that's all part of natural selection, you see that. But, you know, we found out that that was false.”
1:33:09Robert Sungenis Live #116 Ask Your Question | Wed, Mar. 9th, 2022, YouTube captions

What Robert’s work does not answer here

Robert's work does not answer Tyson's two specific arguments: that most of the universe's volume would kill life instantly, so it is no 'Garden of Eden', and that human anatomy (reproductive organs placed in 'a sewage system') and natural hazards are 'stupid design' no engineer would produce. His closest material is the passage on vestigial organs, which concerns the appendix and tonsils, not the anatomy Tyson cites.

Tyson holds that life, including humans, arose through natural selection as a 'blind watchmaker' over deep time, an account deeply religious people find hard to accept because it replaces their God's act.

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Tyson: Neil deGrasse Tyson and Richard Dawkins Discuss Science, Religion & Evolution

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Tyson, in his words

“You needed deep time for evolution to do what it needed to do. Even in the 19th century, my people, the most we were going to give you as a biologist or even the geologist was 10 million years, 20 million at tops.”
11:19StarTalk, Neil deGrasse Tyson and Richard Dawkins Discuss Science, Religion & Evolution
“So, it's a So, that's hard for people to accept, especially if they're deeply religious. Yes. Because they have they already have an account. Yes. Now, you're saying one of the acts of their God is some random force operating”
19:22StarTalk, Neil deGrasse Tyson and Richard Dawkins Discuss Science, Religion & Evolution
“And when I tell them to do that, they never come back because that's way more offensive to them having you know monkeys and humans hold hands in the dioramas than anything we could ever say in the Big Bang here.”
48:05StarTalk, Neil deGrasse Tyson and Richard Dawkins Discuss Science, Religion & Evolution

Robert’s answer

Robert rejects evolution by natural selection: he says nearly all mutations are harmful, the fossil record lacks transitional forms, every proposed missing link was faked or forced, and the multi-billion-year figures were set to give evolution the time it needs.

Robert's figure

99%

“of mutations are harmful and thus would impede evolution into higher forms.”

Source: CASB 4: The Book of Genesis, 1-11.

Robert says the mutations natural selection needs are almost always harmful and have not been shown to produce upward change.

“with the knowledge that 99% of mutations are harmful and thus would impede evolution into higher forms. The task for Miller, of course, is to show convincing evidence that mutations provide beneficial changes; changes that result in an upward progression of the species; changes that can form the genes in the DNA so that the next specimen in line can pass it on to their offspring. Has Miller found any evidence of these changes coming from mutations? No, none at all. In virtually every mutation, whether from natural or artificial means, it results in the deterioration or death of the biological specimen or an abnormality that is simply not useful.”
CASB 4: The Book of Genesis, 1-11

Says leading evolutionists admitted the fossil record shows no convincing transitions and devised punctuated equilibria in response.

“In a meeting of the world’s top evolutionists in Chicago in 1970, Gould and Eldredge admitted that they could play the charade of gradualism no longer, since the near-complete unearthing of fossils revealed only pitiful and highly suspect specimens of transition. Thus “punctuated equilibria” was born to be the savior of a dying theory.”
CASB 4: The Book of Genesis, 1-11

Robert says every claimed missing link was faked or forced, and that museum models present transitional fossils as if they existed.

“In fact, every “missing-link” purported by evolutionists has been found to be either faked or forced. Coupling these facts with the worldwide conspiracy perpetrated by today’s museum curators who create models of transitional fossil as if they really existed”
CASB 4: The Book of Genesis, 1-11

Grants that evolution needs deep time but says the large age figures were adopted because chance-driven evolution requires them.

“Because we need way more than 4.5 billion. We need about 20 billion or 15 billion years, because we have to have this evolution take place, and since it's going by time and chance, we need to have this astronomical figure that's going to allow the chance factor to produce biological human beings like you and me.”
2:05:20Robert Sungenis Live #074 Ask Your Question | Tue, Apr. 20th, 2021, YouTube captions

Tyson says people who claim to take their morals from the Bible cherry-pick it, and that Christianity's ethos of kindness came from Jesus, not from the Old Testament.

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Tyson: Does The Universe Need A Creator?

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Tyson, in his words

“So people say, oh, they get their moral code. Generally, it's a cherrypicked set of course codes.”
21:30StarTalk, Does The Universe Need A Creator?
“Here's an interesting fact. In Christianity, generally, there's a the ethos that you're kind to your neighbor. You you're reflecting a lot of the teachings of Jesus, of course. Turn the other cheek.”
22:22StarTalk, Does The Universe Need A Creator?

Robert’s answer

Robert writes that the law of loving one's neighbor was already recorded in Leviticus 19:18, and that the Church keeps the Ten Commandments because they were incorporated into the New Covenant, which has the right to adjust their practice, such as moving the day of worship to Sunday. He also defends Deuteronomy 22:5 as teaching a distinction between the sexes.

Robert notes that the command to love one's neighbor was recorded as far back as Leviticus 19:18.

““Love your neighbor as yourself” is the focal point of this section. It is significant that James appeals to the “royal law found in Scripture” to reinforce his point. This law of love was recorded as far back as Leviticus 19:18. Things have not changed in that respect.”
How Can I Get to Heaven?

Gives his principle for which Old Testament laws Christians keep: the Ten Commandments bind because the New Covenant incorporated them, and the New Covenant may adjust their practice.

“Catholic doctrine holds that we obey the Ten Commandments because they have been incorporated into the New Covenant, not because the Mosaic covenant is still in force or has some juridical hold on us. Moreover we use the Ten Commandments with the proviso that the New Covenant has the right to adjust the practice of those commandments to fit the theological and practical needs of the Church, such as switching the day of worship from Saturday to Sunday,”
Douay-Rheims Commentary, Volume 2

Robert reads Deuteronomy 22:5, a verse Tyson cited, as requiring a distinction between the sexes, and does not treat it as discarded.

“"A woman must not wear men's clothing, nor a man wear women's clothing, for the Lord your God detests anyone who does this." Okay, so what it means there is that there has to be a distinction between the sexes.”
28:03Robert Sungenis Live #183- Wed, Aug 30th 2023, YouTube captions

The Church and science

Tyson recounts that the Inquisition tried and burned Giordano Bruno, who had drawn from Copernicus that Earth is a planet and the stars may be suns with planets and life, and whose last words included 'Your god is too small'.

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Tyson: Scientific Martyrs, Life Beyond Our Planet & More!

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Tyson, in his words

“So they put him on trial. sentenced him to death. >> Oh my god. >> Burned him upside down naked in the compro uh the the piaza in Rome, >> right? >> And I think that's in Rome, not Florence. And they drove a steak into his mouth”
22:20StarTalk, Scientific Martyrs, Life Beyond Our Planet & More!
“If the sun is in the middle and not earth that means earth is a planet going around the sun like Jupiter and Mercury and Mars s and Venus. If the sun has planets and we're life on a planet, maybe these stars in the night sky are just like our sun.”
21:20StarTalk, Scientific Martyrs, Life Beyond Our Planet & More!
“That's an unhealthy situation for civilization to be in if your personal belief system which does not have correspondence in objective reality starts becoming predominant in the thoughts and hearts and minds of civilization”
2:35Big Think, Shutting down flat Earthers, Neil deGrasse Tyson style
“He says he had a few good last words. My favorite among them was, "Your god is too small."”
22:20StarTalk, Scientific Martyrs, Life Beyond Our Planet & More!

Robert’s answer

Robert's books say Bruno's heliocentrism and infinite universe rested on belief, not observation, and cite evidence that Bruno may never have been executed. In livestreams he says Bruno was burned at the stake for theological heresies on the Trinity, Incarnation and Eucharist, and in one talk says Bruno's cosmology was also at issue.

The bronze statue of Giordano Bruno, hooded and holding a book, against a pale sky

In his books

  • “substantial evidence leading to the conclusion that Bruno was never executed”
  • The story rests on “an alleged letter from Gaspard Schopp to his friend Conrad Rittenshausen, dated in Rome, Feb. 17, 1600”

In his broadcasts

  • “burned at the stake”
  • For “about a dozen things, theological things”
  • In one talk: “both science and theology”
Statue of Giordano Bruno, Campo de' Fiori, Rome. Photo: Jastrow, public domain, via Wikimedia Commons. Sources: Galileo Was Wrong: The Church Was Right, Vol. 1; Robert's livestreams (YouTube).

Robert says Bruno's heliocentrism and infinite universe came from beliefs about a living Earth and an infinite God, not from observation.

“He believed the Earth revolved around the sun not from any scientific observations but because he believed the Earth was alive, which, as an organism, it had local motion. Similarly, Bruno’s belief in an infinite universe was not based on any scientific observations or theories, but from his belief that since God is infinite the universe must also be infinite.”
Galileo Was Wrong: The Church Was Right, Vol. 3

Says Bruno was burned for about a dozen theological positions, on the Trinity, the Incarnation and the Eucharist, that he would not retract.

“Bruno was, you know, he was into all kinds of weird ideas about the Trinity, the Incarnation, even matter itself he was questioning. And that infringed upon the Eucharist. And so it was about a dozen things, theological things, that Bruno was contesting, and he would not bend. That's the other thing. And so he was burned at the stake.”
51:11Speaking in Tongues EXPOSED! Catholic Truth vs Charismatic Movement | Robert Sungenis Q&A, YouTube captions

In this talk Robert says both Bruno's cosmology (aliens on other planets) and his theology led to his burning.

“Giordano Bruno was burned at the stake because he had some really crazy ideas about the, you know, the cosmos, like there aliens lived on other planets and things like that, okay? So, he was way out there. And he had some objections to, you know, the Eucharist and things like that. So, it was both science and theology that he had the problem with.”
1:11Live Conference: Geocentrism from Galileo to John Paul II | Robert Sungenis, YouTube captions

Robert's book cites evidence that Bruno was never executed, noting the story rests on an alleged letter from Gaspard Schopp.

“Despite Yates’ belief, there is substantial evidence leading to the conclusion that Bruno was never executed, least of all by Catholic authorities. According to one source: “The whole story is based on an alleged letter from Gaspard Schopp to his friend Conrad Rittenshausen, dated in Rome, Feb. 17, 1600”
Galileo Was Wrong: The Church Was Right, Vol. 1

What Robert’s work does not answer here

Robert does not address the last words Tyson quotes ('Your god is too small') or the details of the execution (burned upside down, naked, stake driven into the mouth). His sources disagree with each other: the books doubt Bruno was executed at all, while the livestreams say he was burned at the stake, and one talk says his cosmology was part of the charge, which is close to Tyson's account.

Tyson says Copernicus's Sun-centered model was not immediately accepted, partly because its circular orbits (kept from a belief that God would design a geometrically perfect universe) fit worse than epicycles, and partly because the Church resisted Earth no longer being in the middle.

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Tyson: Neil deGrasse Tyson and Richard Dawkins Discuss Science, Religion & Evolution

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Tyson, in his words

“It's like, Copernicus, this might work, but it still doesn't fit. The epicycles are doing much better. And so so, it wasn't instantly taken up. It's including the resistance, the church resistance, of course, cuz course, yes. Earth wasn't in the middle anymore.”
3:09StarTalk, Neil deGrasse Tyson and Richard Dawkins Discuss Science, Religion & Evolution
“That's an interesting one, though, because it speaks to the bias that we have observing nature. I mean, even in my field, so my people, including Copernicus, could not shake the idea of orbits that were per- perfect circles. They couldn't shake that. Why would God design a universe with a shape that wasn't geometrically perfect?”
3:09StarTalk, Neil deGrasse Tyson and Richard Dawkins Discuss Science, Religion & Evolution
“He had just he had just read Capernacus's book >> de Revolution which is puts the sun back in the >> I say back because the Greeks knew this but it got lost in the dark ages but the sun back in the middle of the known universe”
21:20StarTalk, Scientific Martyrs, Life Beyond Our Planet & More!

Robert’s answer

Robert agrees that Copernicus's circular orbits worked worse than Ptolemy's model and needed more epicycles, and that the Church rejected Copernicus's book. He traces the circles to Greek and Platonic ideas about the perfect form, and says the ancient contest between heliocentrism and geocentrism was won by Ptolemy's geocentric model.

PtolemyCopernicusEarthSun

40

forty epicycles

48

ends up with forty-eight

Every orbit in both systems is built from circles. Copernicus kept “perfect circles” because he was “enamored by the Greeks.”

  1. 1540s

    Rheticus' and Copernicus' books rejected

  2. 1559

    both put on the Index

  3. 1566

    the Catechism, "the capstone"

Sources: Scientific Heresies and Their Effect on the Church; Flat Earth Flat Wrong; Robert's broadcast on Riccioli (YouTube).

Robert attributes Copernicus's perfect circles to Greek and Platonic ideas about the perfect form, not to a belief about how God would design the universe.

“Because Copernicus had said that the planets revolved around the sun in perfect circles. And the reason he did that was, as Copernicus was for a very long time enamored by the Greeks. And the Greeks thought that the circle was the most perfect form. Okay? And if you know anything about Plato, everything was based on forms.”
1:17:57Moses' Failed Arguments, the SSPX Problem & Riccioli's Answer to Copernicus, YouTube captions

Says Copernicus's model ended up with more epicycles than Ptolemy's, forty-eight to forty.

“One of the more obvious faults of De revolutionibus was for all its complaints against epicycles, in the end Copernicus produced more epicycles than Ptolemy. Ptolemy’s system has forty epicycles, whereas Copernicus ends up with forty-eight.”
Scientific Heresies and Their Effect on the Church

Robert notes that the Church rejected Copernicus's book in the 1540s and put it on the Index in 1559.

“In light of its date, 1566, the Catechism comes as more or less the capstone to the Church’s position, since it had already rejected both Rheticus’ and Copernicus’ books on heliocentrism in the 1540s and put them both on the Index in 1559.”
Flat Earth Flat Wrong

Says Ptolemy's refined model won the centuries-long contest between the heliocentric and geocentric models.

“We might say that the centuries long battle between the heliocentric and geocentric models was finally won by the geocentrists when Claudius Ptolemy, the Greek astronomer from Alexandria, Egypt, introduced his very refined model.”
Galileo Was Wrong: The Church Was Right, Vol. 1

What Robert’s work does not answer here

Robert does not rebut the core facts: he agrees that Copernicus's circular orbits fit worse than epicycle models and that the Church opposed Copernicus's book, which he treats as the Church's position rather than a fault. He disputes only Tyson's reason for the circles (Greek and Platonic ideas, not a belief about God's design) and the idea that the Greeks knew the Sun was central. He does not address Tyson's claim that the knowledge was lost in the Dark Ages.

Tyson says that a thousand years ago Baghdad was advancing algebra and science while Europe was disembowelling heretics, and that Augustine's City of God gave a recipe for burning witches.

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Tyson: Neil deGrasse Tyson’s 20-Minute TAKEDOWN of Christianity (Re-Upload)

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Tyson, in his words

“It was in bagad a thousand years ago where they invented algebra and there was advances in mathematics agiculture engineering men all of these fields all at a time when Europe was disembowelling Heretics”
14:39Nash Kyalo, Neil deGrasse Tyson’s 20-Minute TAKEDOWN of Christianity (Re-Upload)
“In much the same way St Augustine in his book cities of God codified what it is to be a good Christian how do you burn the witches there's a recipe for that”
15:56Nash Kyalo, Neil deGrasse Tyson’s 20-Minute TAKEDOWN of Christianity (Re-Upload)

Robert’s answer

Robert says calling the Middle Ages the Dark Ages is a misnomer, pointing to its inventions, authors and philosophy with Aquinas leading the way. He acknowledges that Islamic astronomers worked to improve Ptolemy's model, and defends the Church's rare handing over of heretics for execution.

Robert rejects the picture of medieval Europe as dark, citing its inventions, authors and philosophy.

“If you really go in and examine the Middle Ages, you find some of the greatest treasures of human life in the Middle Ages, and the greatest inventions, some of the greatest authors, the greatest ideas philosophically, Thomas Aquinas leading the way, that you get a totally different picture of the Middle Ages than what the Protestants have tried to and what the Enlightenment tried to do. They say, "Well, it was the Dark Ages." You know, if there was ever a misnomer, once you know the historical facts, it's that they were anything but dark, believe me.”
1:44:17Robert Sungenis Live! #013 Ask Your Question - Tue, Aug. 4, 2020, YouTube captions

Acknowledges that early Islamic astronomers built on Ptolemy's model to improve its accuracy.

“His model was so successful that Islamic astronomers created various versions to help improve his accuracy. As Kak notes: “The geometrical structure of the universe conceived by Muslim astronomers of the early Islamic period (ca. 800-1050) is more or less that expounded in Ptolemy’s Almagest”
Galileo Was Wrong: The Church Was Right, Vol. 1

Robert says the Church handed heretics over to be burned only rarely, in extreme cases, and calls doing so righteous.

“"We're going to turn you over to those who burn at the stake." That's all we, you know, that's it. That's our last measure for you. Okay, that could be done by the Church. They could call that, and righteously do so. Okay, now they didn't do it often. Not often at all. Only in the most extreme cases, and apparently his was.”
52:56Speaking in Tongues EXPOSED! Catholic Truth vs Charismatic Movement | Robert Sungenis Q&A, YouTube captions

What Robert’s work does not answer here

Robert's work does not address Tyson's claim that Augustine's City of God gave a recipe for burning witches: in one Q&A a viewer asks 'Did the church really burn witches?', and Robert's answer covers the Inquisition and Bruno but not witches. He does not address Baghdad, algebra, Islamic medicine and engineering, or the charge of 'disembowelling heretics'. His rebuttal of the 'Dark Ages' label is one short livestream remark that names no specific inventions or authors besides Aquinas.

Tyson credits the Catholic Church, through Jesuit astronomers commissioned by Pope Gregory in the 1580s, with the Gregorian calendar, the most accurate ever devised, and keeps AD and BC out of respect for that work.

Not answered in Robert’s work
Tyson: Joe Rogan - Neil deGrasse Tyson "I'm Not an Atheist!!"

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Tyson, in his words

“Who invented the calendar we all currently use in modern society it's called the Gregorian calendar it was invented by the Catholic Church by Jesuit priests in the 1580s assigned by Pope Gregory to fix the problems in the calendar”
3:18JRE Clips, Joe Rogan - Neil deGrasse Tyson "I'm Not an Atheist!!"
“Okay point is this was hard-earned and the whole world uses this calendar it is the most accurate calendar ever devised”
5:40JRE Clips, Joe Rogan - Neil deGrasse Tyson "I'm Not an Atheist!!"
“I'm not just because some atheists are telling me that rid God out of everything in the universe that I'm not I'm not doing that I'm going to say they came up with this calendar the reasons were because they didn't want to confuse it with Passover the motivation is whatever it is but the sciences is good”
7:58JRE Clips, Joe Rogan - Neil deGrasse Tyson "I'm Not an Atheist!!"
“I totally celebrate adnbc because the calendar that we currently use the Gregorian calendar what came out under Pope Gregory who figured out that the leap day system of ancient Rome doesn't work”
2:24djvlad, Neil deGrasse Tyson on Why He Doesn't Believe in God: Which God? There's 18,000 Gods! (Part 14)

Robert’s answer

Robert's work has no passage on the 1582 Gregorian reform, Pope Gregory XIII, Clavius's calendar work, or its accuracy. He writes that AD dating came from Dionysius, and quotes Copernicus saying an earlier calendar reform under Leo X stalled for lack of accurate measurements.

Robert credits the AD dating system to Dionysius, not to the Gregorian reform.

“After Dionysius’ painstaking work, all historians had accepted his dating system. In fact, those who wished to go further back into history before the birth of Christ would put their dates in negative figures. Likewise, those who dated an event after Christ would designate it as “Anno Domini” (that is, “the year of Our Lord”).”
CASB 4: The Book of Genesis, 1-11

Quotes Copernicus that an earlier Church attempt at calendar reform, under Leo X, stalled for lack of accurate measurements.

“Copernicus records this sequence of events in the Introduction to De revolutionibus: For not many years ago under Leo X when the Lateran Council was considering the question of reforming the Ecclesiastical Calendar, no decision was reached, for the sole reason that the magnitude of the year and the months and the movements of the sun and moon had not yet been measured with sufficient accuracy.”
Galileo Was Wrong: The Church Was Right, Vol. 1

What Robert’s work does not answer here

Robert mentions the Gregorian calendar only to convert a date (the Crucifixion) and names Clavius only as an anti-Copernican. He neither affirms nor disputes Tyson's praise of the Church's 1582 reform, its accuracy, or the Easter and Passover motive. Tyson is praising the Church here, so there is nothing to rebut, but Robert's work also contains nothing agreeing with him.

Tyson says that before the 1600s anything organized, science included, fell under religious institutions, and that the idea of testing a claim no matter who makes it arrived only with Francis Bacon and Galileo.

Partly answered
Tyson: Neil Tyson Demonstrates Absurdity of "Flat Earth"

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Tyson, in his words

“So it was until till Francis Bacon Galileo 1600s where the idea that if you're going to say something and you think what you're saying is true then no matter how obvious you think it is that it's true you should still test it”
1:15StarTalk, Neil Tyson Demonstrates Absurdity of "Flat Earth"
“Because there was a time before which everything, anything organized, fell under religious institutions, including any efforts put forth by scientists. So, can you comment on that fact? And when did that science sort of begin to tear free from those shackles?”
2:59StarTalk, Scientists Who Were Persecuted for Being Right, with Matt Kaplan

Robert’s answer

Robert says Bellarmine refused to change the Church's position unless Galileo provided proof, that Galileo's tide and Jupiter arguments were not proof, and that Tycho Brahe took precise measurements to expose errors in Copernicus's system. In a livestream he also says Galileo, Tycho and Kepler mostly worked in geometry and that detailed experimental testing came after Newton.

Robert says Bellarmine told Galileo the Church would not change its position without proof, and that Galileo offered conjecture about the tides.

“Calling his bluff, Robert Bellarmine stated quite clearly to Galileo that the Church would not even consider changing its position on the cosmos unless Galileo could provide proof of his claims. In one of his more audacious moves, Galileo tried to prove his case by a strange concoction of theory and conjecture on the nature of tidal action.”
Galileo Was Wrong: The Church Was Right, Vol. 2

Says Galileo's tides and Jupiter's moons were data open to more than one reading, not proof.

“In the end, Olivieri is in the same place that Galileo was two hundred years earlier when Galileo was depending on the specious arguments of the Earth’s tides and Jupiter’s moons to win the day with Bellarmine and Pope Urban VIII. He believed he had scientific proof when he only possessed data that can be interpreted more than one way.”
Galileo Was Wrong: The Church Was Right, Vol. 3

Robert describes Tycho Brahe collecting precise measurements to uncover errors in Copernicus's system.

“Modern telescopic observation reveals that, without ever using a telescope, Brahe’s data of stars was consistently accurate to within 1 minute of arc or better. His observations of planetary positions were reliable to within 4 minutes of arc, which was more than twice the accuracy produced by the best observers of antiquity. In fact, it was Tycho’s express desire to use his precise measurements to uncover the errors in Copernicus’ solar system.”
Galileo Was Wrong: The Church Was Right, Vol. 2

Says Galileo, Tycho and Kepler mostly worked in geometry, and that detailed experimental testing came after Newton.

“Because Galileo and Tycho de Brahe, Kepler, they all dealt with geometry basically, you know. But we're now in an age where, you know, after Newton, where we now can do experiments and test things, and in the most intricate ways that we never did before.”
55:49Dr. Robert Sungenis Live! #039 Ask Your Question | Tue, Nov. 17, 2020, YouTube captions

What Robert’s work does not answer here

Robert's work does not discuss Francis Bacon or the origin of the scientific method; he does not claim testing began earlier in the medieval Church, or address Tyson's framing that before the 1600s all organized effort fell under religious institutions until it broke free of those 'shackles'. The Tycho passage shows careful measurement before 1600, but Robert does not use it against Tyson's timeline. His livestream remark that intricate experimental testing came after Newton is closer to Tyson's timeline than against it.

The cosmos and Earth's place

Tyson holds that the universe had a beginning about 14 billion years ago (once smaller than a marble), and that a creationist universe of 6,000 to 10,000 years is not comparable to past scientific disagreements over a few billion years.

Partly answered
Tyson: Neil deGrasse Tyson vs. Young Earth Creationism

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Tyson, in his words

“So right now the universe is is about 14 ion years the ages of stars all match up we have better uh measurements of what goes on inside of stars that all got resolved Hubble helped out mightily”
3:56StarTalk, Neil deGrasse Tyson vs. Young Earth Creationism
“And the fact is in a in a in a young universe as what is uh put forth by creation folk uh that is a universe that's not it's 6,000 years no more than 10,000 it's the in the thousands not billions okay so these are these are apples and oranges going on here”
2:57StarTalk, Neil deGrasse Tyson vs. Young Earth Creationism
“He was rejecting the notion that the universe had a beginning. And he was a smart guy and he's done other great things. So, it was hard to completely discount him. But the field just kept moving along. And he was wrong to his grave thinking that we're all wrong and that he's right.”
1:05:25StarTalk, Scientists Who Were Persecuted for Being Right, with Matt Kaplan
“Why should someone know automatically that earth isn't flat yet I tell them in the next breath that the entire universe was once as small as a marble right both of those sound Quilly preposterous except one has evidence to back it and the other does not”
6:28JRE Clips, Joe Rogan - Neil deGrasse Tyson on Eric Dubay & Flat Earth

Robert’s answer

Robert says the 13.7 billion year age rests on Big Bang assumptions, that dark energy was introduced so the universe would come out older than its oldest stars, and that the same formula gives a few thousand years if a biblical age is assumed. He also calls Hoyle's steady state an equally weak view.

z = 1same star

Assume the universe is

13.7 billion years old

the Big Bang reading

Assume the universe is

6,000 years old

T = 2,121 years

73%

“About 73% of the universe must be composed of Dark Energy.”

Source: Scientific Heresies and Their Effect on the Church.

Robert calls the 13.7 billion year age an assumption and says the same redshift formula gives 2,121 years if the universe is assumed to be 6,000 years old.

“Since using the number 13.7 billion years is completely arbitrary (for it is based on the unproven assumption of a Big Bang universe), let’s say we assume T0 is 6,000 years instead of 13.7 billion. In this case, where z = 1, then T = 2,121 years. In other words, when an astronomer sees a star with a z-factor of 1, he might just as well assume the universe was 2,121 years old rather than 13.7 billion years old, since the z-factor is only a function of one’s assumption regarding the beginning of the universe.”
Scientific Heresies and Their Effect on the Church

Says dark energy was invented so the universe could be 13.7 billion years old and older than its stars.

“he simply invents the energy he needs. This time it is called Dark Energy, but he can’t see, hear, feel, taste or smell it. And how much does he need? According to the equations, about 73% of the universe must be composed of Dark Energy to make the Big Bang conform to 1a supernovae requirements. This invention then allows the universe to be 13.7 billion years old (so that it is older than the stars)”
Scientific Heresies and Their Effect on the Church

Robert says that, on the vacuum energy figures he cites, the Big Bang does not work under present evidence.

“the whole universe should presently be curled up into a space smaller than the dot on this i. Obviously it isn’t. As we can see, the Big Bang universe simply does not work under present empirical evidence.”
Scientific Heresies and Their Effect on the Church

Calls Hoyle's steady state an equally weak view, so Robert sides with neither Hoyle nor the Big Bang Tyson defends.

“Hoyle tenaciously held to an equally weak view called “The Steady State” theory, which holds that the universe is infinite yet comes into being little by little. Under Dicke’s direction, Penzias and Wilson claimed the CMB was the remnant of the Big Bang, whereas Reber made it known he was vehemently against the Big Bang all the way to his death in 2002, and his work was consequently ignored.”
Galileo Was Wrong: The Church Was Right, Vol. 1

What Robert’s work does not answer here

Robert does not engage Tyson's point that a 6,000 to 10,000 year universe is 'apples and oranges' next to scientific disagreements of a few billion years; he offers the young age as an alternative without addressing the comparison. Beyond saying dark energy was invented for the purpose, he does not address Tyson's claim that improved stellar models and Hubble measurements now make the star ages agree.

Tyson holds that the expanding universe has no center, and that neither the Earth, the Sun nor our galaxy is the middle of the universe, leaving us a speck in a cosmic void.

Answered
Tyson: Neil deGrasse Tyson: There Is No Center of the Universe

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Tyson, in his words

“It is expanding in every direction. Therefore, there is no center. Oh, and the best analogy I can think of is if you inflate a balloon, every everybody on the surface of that balloon is expanding.”
0:04StarTalk, Neil deGrasse Tyson: There Is No Center of the Universe
“So there's certain geometries where there is no center even though it can be expanding and the universe is one such shape.”
0:04StarTalk, Neil deGrasse Tyson: There Is No Center of the Universe
“To learn no earth is not the middle of the universe neither is the Sun neither is our galaxy and you're small you are you in time and in space this that's all true but the cosmic perspective takes a step beyond that”
3:54The Late Show with Stephen Colbert, Neil deGrasse Tyson Puts Earth's Smallness Into Perspective
“Just a reminder we are a speck in the middle of a cosmic void occupying what we call earth but in fact if you come upon our solar system from outside you know from if you're an alien first coming upon our solar system earth would be barely noticed by you”
0:00The Late Show with Stephen Colbert, Neil deGrasse Tyson Puts Earth's Smallness Into Perspective

Robert’s answer

Robert says the centerless 'balloon' universe is one of two solutions of Einstein's equations and that a centered universe with the Earth at the center is equally allowed; he says the choice of no center is made to avoid an Earth-centered universe, and cites cosmic axes aligned with the Earth.

The balloon with “no Center”, the “Robertson Walker model”: it “will appear the same from every direction.”

“Three axes that put the Earth in the center of the universe.”

Sources: Robert Sungenis versus Cool Hard Logic on geocentrism (YouTube); Geocentrism for Dumskies and Smart Kids.

Robert says Einstein's equations allow both the centerless balloon model and a centered spherical universe with a stationary Earth at the center.

“Pictured the universe as a balloon with no center. It eventually developed into the Big Bang Theory. Such a universe will appear the same from every direction, and thus it has no center or distinguishing point. Today this model generally goes by the name of the Lemaître-Robertson-Walker model. The second possible universe from Einstein's field equations was an inhomogeneous isotropic universe. This is a spherical universe with a center, thus allowing for a stationary Earth to occupy that center.”
1:36:25Robert Sungenis Versus Cool Hard Logic on Geocentrism, YouTube captions

Says astronomers choose a centerless universe to avoid the implications of an Earth at the center of everything.

“In reality, this is merely a feigned humility; an attempt to engender the sympathies of the human audience so that the astronomer can appear noble and selfdepreciating, and therefore more convincing; a way of making oneself appear gallant by choosing the less ingratiating option when in reality the choice is made simply in order to avoid the divine implications and harsh demands of an Earth in the center of everything.”
Galileo Was Wrong: The Church Was Right, Vol. 1

Robert cites alignments of distant radio galaxies and quasars with the Earth as a third axis placing the Earth at the center.

“It occurs because of how the very distant radio galaxies and quasars are aligned with the Earth. So now we have three axes that put the Earth in the center of the universe! The discoverer of this third axis, Indian astrophysicist, Ashok K. Singal, concludes with these amazing words: It looks as if these axes have a preferential placement in the larger scheme of things, implying an apparent breakdown of the Copernican principle”
Geocentrism for Dumskies and Smart Kids

Says specially oriented structures have no Big Bang explanation but are what a geocentric universe would lead us to expect.

“As Max Tegmark said in The Principle: “The pendulum has begun to swing back the other way from the Copernican Principle.” So, the next question is, from where are these specially oriented lumps originating? As noted, the Big Bang has no answer. They simply shouldn’t be there. But in a geocentric universe, they are what we would expect.”
Geocentrism for Dumskies and Smart Kids

Tyson argues the universe was not made for humans: we were absent for nearly all of cosmic history, life took billions of years to arise, and the universe is not here for any singular purpose.

Answered
Tyson: Does The Universe Need A Creator?

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Tyson, in his words

“But my argument however is if whoever created the universe if there's such an entity that did why make a universe where we didn't show up”
10:20StarTalk, Does The Universe Need A Creator?
“But that means we're even shorter. Okay. So it doesn't it does not look it does not look like the universe >> cared much about us for most of its existence.”
11:28StarTalk, Does The Universe Need A Creator?
“But that's took three and a half billion years that's hardly an efficient plan with us in mind”
0:57TurpisHaereticus, Neil Degrasse Tyson - Stupid Design
“Then put that in context and realize of course the universe is not here for us for any uh uh singular purpose”
3:00TurpisHaereticus, Neil Degrasse Tyson - Stupid Design

Robert’s answer

Robert says Genesis does not have God wait billions of years before making man, since His purpose was fellowship with mankind; he says the stars exist to hold the universe together for the Earth and that God's focus is on mankind.

Robert denies the billions-of-years wait: since God's purpose was fellowship with man, He had no reason to precede him with a slow process.

“Genesis teaches us that God did not start things with a big explosion that, over billions of years, produced stars, and then out of one star we call the sun the earth was ejected, which then cooled over billions of years before it could support life. 36 Since God’s purpose in creation was to have fellowship with mankind whom He created in his own image, it would be pointless for God to wait an excessively long time before creating him. Not only would there be no purpose in preceding man with such an agonizingly slow and tedious process,”
The First Four Days of Creation

Says the vast number of stars exists to hold the universe together for the Earth, and that God's focus is on mankind.

“Because we need to hold the universe together. That's why you need all those stars out there, spread out as they are, because their whole mass, gravity, is going to hold the universe together so that the earth can have this beautiful place called the universe. You need that many stars in order to make a universe, okay? So don't get me down: "Whoa, so many stars, though, there's so many possibilities out there of life." No, that's not why God created them. He created them because they're needed for the physics of the universe. That's it. God's attention, God's love, God's focus is on mankind.”
38:15Aliens: The Devil's Final Frontier! | Robert Sungenis Live #134, YouTube captions

Robert says the teaching that one man's sin corrupted the whole universe shows the universe centers on humankind.

“This teaching, that because of one man the whole universe is corrupted, tells us that the whole thing is centered on humankind, no one else. There's no one else to save out there.”
36:50Aliens: The Devil's Final Frontier! | Robert Sungenis Live #134, YouTube captions

Flat earth

Tyson holds that the Earth is a sphere, shown by its always-round shadow on the Moon in lunar eclipses and by ships disappearing over the horizon, and that it is odd to accept round planets but a flat Earth.

Robert agrees
Tyson: Neil Tyson Demonstrates Absurdity of "Flat Earth"

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Tyson, in his words

“If you see the shape of Earth shadow on the moon it is always round always round if earth were flat sometimes you get like a flat shadow right and we've never seen a flat shadow”
2:24StarTalk, Neil Tyson Demonstrates Absurdity of "Flat Earth"
“So the only thing that makes a perfect circle shadow every single time is a perfect sphere”
2:24StarTalk, Neil Tyson Demonstrates Absurdity of "Flat Earth"
“Seafarers knew this right and so what however flat they would have imagined the earth to be they couldn't they couldn't have accepted to be completely flat because otherwise you would never not see the ship”
5:45StarTalk, Neil Tyson Demonstrates Absurdity of "Flat Earth"
“But what's what's odd is there are people who think earth is flat right but recognize that the moon is round Mercury Venus Mars Jupiter Saturn Uranus Neptune and the Sun are all spheres but earth is flat”
0:00StarTalk, Neil Tyson Demonstrates Absurdity of "Flat Earth"

Robert’s answer

Robert agrees the Earth is a sphere: he accepts that the cause of lunar eclipses (the Earth's shadow) has long been known, that ships sink below the horizon in a way magnification cannot undo, and that the Earth is more nearly spherical than a billiard ball.

your line of sightyouhidden

What you see through a zoom lens

Hidden below the horizon

0 ft

of a 150-foot ship (0%), seen from 6 feet up

On a flat sea the ship only shrinks with distance, and a good zoom lens would always bring the whole of it back. That is not what cameras record: the hull goes first, then the decks, then the masts, and no lens recovers the part that has gone. With the book's own figures, a 6-foot viewer should lose 294 feet of the Lake Pontchartrain towers at 24 miles, and the towers do disappear from the base up. The side view squeezes the miles so the curve shows; the heights and the numbers are to scale.

0.36%

The polar circumference is “only 0.0036 different or 0.36% smaller” than the equatorial.

Drawn to scale, the two outlines sit inside one line. “Billiard balls have less accuracy in spherical measurement than the Earth.”

Source: Flat Earth Flat Wrong.

Robert endorses the lunar eclipse image as decisive and says its cause was accepted for centuries, even by those who held a fixed Earth.

“If there was ever an instance when “a picture is worth a thousand words,” this was it. 41 The cause of a lunar eclipse has been known and accepted for centuries, even among those who believed that the Earth was fixed in space.”
Flat Earth Flat Wrong

Agrees that ships sink below the horizon and says magnification cannot bring back the hidden part, against the flat-earth claim that it can.

“Although it is true that magnification will bring back into view a portion of the ship that is not seen with the unaided eye, it cannot bring back into view all of the ship, specifically the part of the ship that has already sunk beneath the horizon.”
Flat Earth Flat Wrong

Robert says the Earth is more precisely spherical than a billiard ball, matching Tyson's own comparison.

“Although the Earth is slightly larger in its bottom half, the difference is miniscule. Pound for pound, billiard balls have less accuracy in spherical measurement than the Earth, since the polar circumference compared to the equatorial circumference is only 0.0036 different or 0.36% smaller.”
Flat Earth Flat Wrong

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